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Alt Nev

Post by foal30 » Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:34 pm

Nev got a fretless
so it must be time for "Jazz" scales :D

Altered Dominants are cool

take your normal V chord
which is a dominant or mixolydian
R 2 3 4 5 6 b7 Octave

alter to this
R b2 #2 3 b5 b6 b7 Octave

this can be the V chord on either a major or minor key tune
and it can be the VII chord in the Harmonic minor and Melodic minor

extra cool is using the minor pentatonic from the #2

so if the chord is Ab alt
go hard on B minor pentatonic

B is the #2 of the Ab alt scale
B minor pentatonic the notes are
B D E F# A

which are the #2 b5 b6 b7 b2 of Ab alt!

magic innit? :)

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Re: Alt Nev

Post by Pstewart » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:33 pm

It's all sifty melodic minor! That altered dominant (Superlocrian Scale) is the 7th mode of melodic minor, so you can just crank it modally from, in the case of Ab alt, A Melo Minor!
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Re: Alt Nev

Post by foal30 » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:57 pm

yes learning the Melodic Minor (or Jazz minor) is all good
cram full of stuff it is indeed.

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Re: Alt Nev

Post by Crazykiwi » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:06 pm

man, I wish my kit would get over here. I need to try some of this stuff out with other musicians.
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Re: Alt Nev

Post by joppo » Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:41 am

Man, I wish I had an amp over here to be able to hear it :lol:

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Re: Alt Nev

Post by foal30 » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:40 am

so how is it going Nev? :D

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Re: Alt Nev

Post by joppo » Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:10 pm

Hey Foal. Really loving the fretless. To be perfectly honest, I had forgotten about the altered scales :oops: I've just been trying them now. I don't really know my modes, but I actually think I get what you mean. I'm not exactly sure how I would use it yet (can you provide an example?), but I have just been walking up the I chord until I get to the 5th and then trying your pentatonic altered V chord compared to the normal one, and the altered sounds way cooler.

I've also been playing with sliding harmonics tonight. Don't know if i'd ever be able to use that, but it sounds cool too 8)

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Re: Alt Nev

Post by irvinz » Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:23 pm

im so keen to try this out! looks fun. just heading out to uni tho =(
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Re: Alt Nev

Post by foal30 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:03 pm

crikey

OK maybe a minor II - V -I

so ..er...

Em7(b5) is our II chord
A7(b9) is our V chord
Dm7 is our I chord

btw that should be all lower case to signify minor oops

anyway just arpeggio each chord, do the D minor twice (1 b3 5 b7 Octave, b7 5 3)

second time through instead of 1 3 5 b7 for the A7 try;

A (root) Bb (b9) C (#9) C# (3rd)

the next note is D the root of the I chord
this is easy chromatic approach and I reckon ya ears can hear this as a point of difference to the arpeggio approach. Just keep doing it back to back to make 'em stick out.

also PS Stewart is our Jazz Cat
he should be sorting this not an old hack like me :)

as this started in D minor
then go up in semi-tones ripping the same form
so the next ii-v-i
is Fm7 (b5) - Bb7 (b9) - Eb minor
carry on upwards learning *BANNED* in one key only is bad news IMO

coolish? :)

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Re: Alt Nev

Post by Pstewart » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:16 pm

I don't think i've quite attained the "Cat" level of jazziness yet Foal haha.

For those minor ii - V -i's you can also use the melodic minor and harmonic minor approaches

The harmonic minor ( 1 - 2 - b3 - 4 - 5 - b6 - 7) is easier to think of as the 2nd and 5th scales work well with min7b5 and dom7b9 chords (The second is a locrian #6, 1 b2 b3 4 b5 6 b7 and the 5th is a mixolydian b2 b6, 1 b2 3 4 5 b6 b7)

The melodic minor however ( 1 - 2 - b3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7) doesn't have that same liberty though if you use the 6th mode over the two chord ( locrian #2, 1 2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7) and the 7th mode (The ellusive "SUPERLOCIAN" or altered scale, 1 b2 b3 b4 b5 b6 b7) you can deal with the min7b5 and dom7alt in a veyr interesting sounding way.

Also the superlocrian can attack most if not all alterations on a dom 7 chord b9, #9, b5, #5 and if you want an easy way to think about it go up a semitone and play your melodic minor scale (Which in itself is just a major with a b3)

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Re: Alt Nev

Post by foal30 » Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:15 pm

Nev look at this post of PS
and re-read Lydian Aug thread

so there is quite a few scale options listed now
for minor ii-v-i progressions.

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Re: Alt Nev

Post by Drazman » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:10 pm

Dude, I know this is a late post, but it's worth spending a few dollars on a scales book specifically for bass scales . learning scales from sentences in english totally makes things more confusing. TAB rules ! Bass clef notation rulez ! once you start you'll never go back. http://www.BassGuitar-Scales.com would help you with those augmented scales.

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